Grullo and Blue Roan Quarter Horses

Inquire About Your Horse or Foal's Color

Effective April 10, 2008, I will be charging $3 to give an opinion on horse or foal color. This is because I have been swamped daily with requests for help, and answering all of them has caused me to lose a great deal of income (because I don't get paid when I'm not working).
This isn't for the money, and instead is just to limit the inquiries to those people that are interested enough to pay a little tiny bit, so I don't have to spend so many hours helping people. It has greatly reduced my time spent answering color inquiries! :-)

Please read the following before you fill in the form. These bits of knowledge can solve many questions:
 
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A foal can not be grullo or dun if one of the parents did not carry the dun factor gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a black stallion can not be a grullo.

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A foal can not be roan if one of the parents did not carry the roan gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a black stallion can not be a blue roan.

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Buckskin and black foals often look grullo at birth. I can tell you my opinion on your foal's color. Please be objective.  :-) 
We have had many grullo foals, and can "usually" spot grullos and look-alikes if given good photos.

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If you think your horse is grullo, try taking the short quiz here (opens in a new window).

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If you think your horse is blue roan, try taking the short quiz here (opens in a new window).

Special requests/notes:
 
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Please check this page (opens in a new window) before requesting help. Possibly, one of these foal photos will help you determine your foal's color. Especially in the spring, I often spend an hour to two hours per day helping people determine their colors. Don't hesitate to request help if you need it, but try that page first.

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I will need to look at photos. The views listed below are the best to help us evaluate, but others will often work.

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Please don't call on the phone and request a call back. Photos via e-mail are usually essential anyway, so e-mail or use of  this form is the best method for us to communicate anyway. And, we get too many requests for me to return every phone call.

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Note that my replies might be lengthy or very brief, depending upon how easy it is to tell the color.   :-)

 

Donation Required

For years, I have enjoyed seeing pictures of the beautiful and uniquely-colored horses people have sent me through this page. However, I now find that I am literally swamped with requests to guess horse colors, and my attempts to answer those have cost me a great deal of time and money (because I work from home, so don't earn money when helping others).  In 2007, I had to shut the form down because I couldn't manage all the requests. By charging a little bit, I can still help those really wanting help, and I won't feel like I'm cheating my family of time and money by assisting people I don't even know, and without some repayment. :-)

I am now limiting my assistance to those that will donate $3 for my time and effort. At this time of year, I just can't abandon my job to assist people with their new foal colors without compensation, and I find that is what is happening.

If you don't have a PayPal account, click the link on the left side of the PayPal page that pops up where it says, "Don't have a PayPal account? Click here to continue.

 

Click the button above to donate
$3 for assistance in determining
your horse/foal's color.
Use link at left of PayPal page if you do not have an account.

I'd say that 95% of the time, I can pretty clearly see the color of the foals/horses people send pictures to me of.  I offer no guarantees, but will say that I'm not often wrong. One of the benefits of helping so many people has been a good eye for color. :-)
 

Genetic Testing: Note that genetic testing is the best way to be sure of some colors. We can evaluate colors on a horse's pedigree and photos, but some horses are tricky and genetic testing (especially for Agouti) are often the only way to be sure. Tests usually run $25 to $50 each.  www.petdnaservicesaz.com  http://www.horsetesting.com/index.htm www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/service/horse/coatcolor.html

 

Please fill in as much of this form as you can.
The more information I have, the better likelihood my opinion will be on the mark!

Your name
Your e-mail address  *required*
Double-check your e-mail address. Include what comes before and after the @ sign. We often get requests with incorrect e-mail addresses, and so our replies come back as undeliverable
Your phone number
Your web site address, if applicable. We enjoy looking at other peoples' pretty horses!  :-)

Yes    No

 Do we have your permission to use your photos on our educational pages to help other people? We don't do this often, and always get permission first. If you have a neat photo, it would be nice to use it on our educational pages to help other people in the future.
What is your Main Help Request?

    I'd like to know if my foal/horse is grullo. Before proceeding, please take the short quiz here (opens in a new window to allow you to finish this form if needed.

    I'd like to know if my foal/horse is blue roan. Before proceeding, please take the short quiz here (opens in a new window to allow you to finish this form if needed.

    I'm unsure of my horse or foal's color...just looking for help.

    Just sharing my photos.

    Other, described below in the comments section.
Sire's color Dam's color
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a cream gene (buckskin, palomino, dunalino, smoky black, etc.)? Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a cream gene (buckskin, palomino, dunalino, smoky black, etc.)?
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a roan gene? Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a roan gene?
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a gray gene? Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a gray gene?
If your foal might be dun/grullo, what color was its dorsal stripe shortly after birth (wet or dry)? Does your horse/foal have white hairs around its eyes, below the knees, or on the bridge of its face/nose? This wouldn't include facial markings, socks, stockings, etc, and refers to white hairs mixed in with the face color or white hairs mixed in with the leg color.

Show Us Photos

In order to help you, I will need to see a photo or more than one photo. This can be done:

bulletVia e-mail, by attaching photos (which you'll be asked to do after submitting this form)

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bulletA current file on the Internet if you have uploaded a photo to a web site

If you have uploaded photos to a location on the Internet, please give me some of the addresses for those files. Include the http:// in front of your addresses. 

If you don't have files uploaded to the 'net, you can attach images to an e-mail after submitting this form.

Web Page Address (if you have one for this horse/foal)

Web page for this foal/horse

Photos (if you have uploaded photos to the 'net)

Front view (including face)
 

Side view
 

Rear view
 

Dorsal stripe/top view
 

Front legs: for dun-factored horses, a photo of the back of the knee and just above it.
For possible roan horses, and photo of the knee and just above the knee from the front are helpful.
 

Other
 

Other
 

Click Submit below to send your initial data regarding your horse/foal's color.
If you need to attach pictures to an e-mail message, you will be able to after submitting this form.

Remember to be objective! I will try my best to help you, and usually am correct. If I'm not sure,
I'll tell you that I'm uncertain. In those cases, I love to receive periodic updates so I know the end result.
I also want to know if my guess is incorrect once a horse has shed out with its mature coat color showing.
That's how we all learn! :-)

Effective April 10, 2008, I will be charging $3 to give an opinion on horse or foal color. This is because I have been swamped daily with requests for help, and answering all of them has caused me to lose a great deal of income (because I don't get paid when I'm not working).
This isn't for the money, and instead is just to limit the inquiries to those people that are interested enough to pay a little tiny bit, so I don't have to spend so many hours helping people. It has greatly reduced my time spent answering color inquiries! :-)  

I will only assist you after a donation has been made.
You will have a chance to donate after clicking Submit, below.
Clicking Submit will send your explanations/information as entered above.
Do not click submit, below, unless you are willing to donate $3.
I can no longer offer advice for free due to the time it takes to explain.

 

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This page last updated 11/07/08

 

 

 
 

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Bedford, Iowa
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Or Call us at :

712-523-3646 (home)
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before 9 p.m. CST.
PLEASE do not call us on the phone with color inquiries. See below:

For Horse/Foal Color Assistance, Click Here
NOTE:  Because of the high number of requests for assistance,
I am now charging $3 for this service.

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